Title: DeProgram Show with Ted Ra
Show: DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas
Date: 2025-10-10
URL: https://youtu.be/UaGsDFC7E3c
Duration: 59:00

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[00:56] The difference 24hour makes. Sean Kiryaku, how are you? How are you? >> Than I have felt in almost two weeks. >> Stateside. >> Even >> tarantula free. >> Tarantula free. I slept with no mosquito netting. It was pretty great. >> Gotta love it. You know, Texas might not be my favorite state, but it certainly sounds better than the state you were in before, >> man. And I got to go back for another what, 10 days of filming. Oh my god.

[01:26] >> Oh, really? >> And I want to tell you, too, yesterday we left um we left. There's not even a village. It's just us. We're the only like structure that you can see. So the hurricane came through the night before and just walloped us. And so we get in the in the suburban and Ted, we didn't go 100 feet and the road was just it just didn't exist anymore. It was just gone

[01:57] >> and there was this big ditch. >> So >> how did you get to the airport? >> Well, the star of the movie, Jeff Fee and I we got out of the car and um and we took rocks. We we got big rocks to to put enough rocks together that we could at least at speed try to jump over this thing with this 20-year-old Suburban, 25-year-old Suburban. We actually made it. It's 30 miles on a dirt road and the road just didn't exist anymore.

[02:28] >> That's Afghan style with the rocks. He he he uh is very generous with a um he supports a an orphanage in Afghanistan and he said the roads in Afghanistan are way better than this. And I said, >> "Well, now they are." >> Well, they are. >> That's that's the main thing that the United States contributed. I mean, you know, before when I went to Afghanistan before um you know, the the the NATO NATO started building roads, they were always, you know, the Afghans were always saying, "Man, we need better roads." Um, that's the one thing I feel like as an American we did provide,

[02:59] although we didn't provide them with high quality roads, but because they, you know, they buckled. There was a lot of corruption. You know, there's a lot of different qualities of road work and we kind of gave them the [ __ ] version and they kind of needed the good version because it's, >> you know, there's probably no place on earth with a higher variation in average temperature between winter and summer than Afghanistan. >> I would agree with that. I mean, so it's like that's, you know, it's like the opposite of like say La Hoya where there's like a 15 degree range and, you know, it's there's no cracks on the

[03:30] sidewalk because everything's kind of perfect even if it was poured 100 years ago. >> So, John, there's some news. Um, >> yeah. >> Should we get to it? Um, let me go through like what we're what we're going to talk about. Um, obviously Gaza. >> Yeah. But give us the the good, the bad, and the ugly for everybody to hear. >> All right. So the good well you may about Gaza or about all of it? >> About everything. >> Okay, here we go. So here comes we're so talk we got a peace we've got a makings of a ceasefire/pace deal in Gaza. Uh

[04:00] improbably but hey happily I think um the the polling is a back on Trump's deportation surge. Very interesting. Basically people want illegals deported but they don't like how Trump is doing it. Um, Tom, this might be one of the most disgusting stories I've ever heard in my life. Tom Hullman, who accepted that $50,000 bribe in a sting operation, is being allowed to keep the money. Never heard of such a thing. I assume you have thoughts. Nick Sorder, what a

[04:32] grifter. Um, you know, he got arrested in Portland. He's blaming, he's saying that the cops are being uh in uh are basically the pawns of Antifa. >> Infiltrated. They're infiltrated by Antifa. Antifa has taken over the Portland Police Department and that's the only reason why he was arrested. >> It's like, dude, you were like, you should be blamed. No, the Portland Police Department was was beating up pro protesters and you got swept up alongside them. This should have tipped you over to the protesters side. Okay,

[05:02] that's right. And then um interestingly um the Department of Defense and this is disturbing. This is like Stalinist um has opened over 300 investigations into its personnel for the crime of insulting Charlie Kirk potentially. 300 investigations. The DoD has nothing better to do. Um, and finally, and Charlie Kirk is apparently gonna have there's literally a bigger push to put up statues of Charlie Kirk all over the country than there than there has been

[05:33] of any other fallen American since Abraham Lincoln. So, you know, I mean, you know, let's just stipulate that Charlie Kirk was uh, you know, let's just stipulate he was a good guy, but was he a Lincoln? I don't know. I'm a member of this men's group called the HEPA, the American Helenic Educational Progressive Association. And every year on Memorial Day, and this is one of many, many things we do. Mostly we raise money for scholarships and for medical research. But every year on Memorial Day, the whole gang of us, it's

[06:05] like a hundred of us, will meet at Arlington Cemetery and we put wreaths on the graves of every Greek American veteran that's buried at Arlington. >> Well, several of those Greek American veterans are are Medal of Honor recipients, and one of them is the recipient of two Congressional Medals of Honor. >> Wow. There are no statues for those guys, >> right? >> But Charlie freaking Kirk is gonna have statues all over America.

[06:37] >> It's insane. I mean, it's it's definitely a fever dream. Um, if I may, I think we should get straight into Gaza. What do you think? >> Yeah, agreed. We have pieces at hand, right? Isn't that >> pieces at hand? It looks like Look, God bless President Trump. Good for him. Yes. >> I mean, so, uh, you know, you I always like to give credit where it's due, and it's due here. Um, it looks, John, it's exactly like you said yesterday. The strike against Cutter was a a bridge too far for Trump. It angered him beyond

[07:10] belief. Uh, behind behind the scenes, basically, BB was dead to him at that point. and he decided like I'm not saying he's like on team Palestine, but he wants this war over and he knows that BB is responsible for it and I you know it may or may not be about a Nobel Peace Prize, but it's certainly he wants this over. He wanted it over. Now he's just seeing that you know BB was the instigator and basically this thing has to come to an end. Um so the current deal it's really I mean this is I mean I

[07:40] put this in the thumbnail this morning, Israel humiliated. I think it has been. I mean, let's let's imagine imagine where we were two weeks ago where it looked like BB was like smuggly take thinking that all 20 points of Trump's plan were all basically what Israel wanted. We interpreted it that way. The whole world did now the very first step, right? Israel has to withdraw completely. That's the very first step before any hostages get released. Then

[08:10] at that the next step in this in this plan and and Israel has agreed to this. Um well let's say let's just say this be has agreed to it. He has to go to his to his cabinet and we'll see if his very fragile coalition stands together holds together. I'm very curious to talk to you about that. Then the second step is hostages get released. You know they call it 58 hostages 20 including 20 living ones. Let's call it what it is. It's 20 people are going to be released um and 38 bodies. the Palestinians get

[08:40] back hundreds if not thousands of their hostages being held by the Israelis. Um, and then you for one second, let me one second. >> The way this has played out over the years has been that there are like, you know, 100 or 500 or a thousand Palestinians for every one Israeli. >> It's not going to be that big of a of a difference. not as lopsided, >> but there have been a couple of hints

[09:11] that the Palestinians may be willing to scuttle this whole deal if a certain medical doctor >> who's being held in an Israeli prison isn't released and then all of a sudden that disappeared from the media. >> What are your thoughts about that? You know, I I think that the Palestinians know that basically they're in the catbird seat now. And um and they and and I I think this is more about like

[09:42] they feel like they can exert some pressure. Uh they know they've won, you know, I mean, the Israelis can try to spin it any way they want. Um you know, it's it's interesting because truly the Israelis have defined pirick victory. Um, you know, you've killed a lot of people, you flattened a lot of territory, and you and you [ __ ] up in doing it. It's kind of fascinating for students in history. >> Yeah. >> Um, >> I want to add one other thing if you if you don't mind, >> please. >> Uh, yesterday a publication that I never heard of called the Middle East Monitor.

[10:14] >> Oh, >> did an article about me and it quoted the political adviser to the Israeli foreign minister. He said that I am an enemy of Israel, that I am an enemy of the Jewish people. He called me a virulent anti-semite, which I mean, not only is that just ridiculous. Nobody's ever ever called me anything like that before in my life. A virulent anti-semite. >> If you criticize Israel, by definition,

[10:44] you're an anti-semite. >> And that that's it. and that um that I am an example of the intellectual rot that has taken place, his words, taken place on the American left. Well, like I say, I never heard of this publication before. It appears to be somehow tied, and I don't mean just support-wise. I mean it's like formally tied to the Israeli government. But I think that the Israelis are very

[11:17] upset with this with this deal. They were upset with negotiations for this deal. They were upset that Americans have turned against them. There was a poll on CNN, I was just watching it 15 minutes ago, saying that at the start of this thing two years ago, um, Americans supported Israel by 46 percentage points over the Palestinians. today. That number is they support the Palestinians by one percentage point over the Israelis. And I'm wondering if the

[11:47] Israelis are going to take this slap that is the ceasefire and they're going to begin taking it out on individual Americans. >> Take it out. Taking it out on individual Americans. How? >> By threatening people like you and me. by having uh Google demonetize this show, which apparently has been done now, >> and um by by going after individuals who do not tow the Zionist line on

[12:21] Palestine. Well, so I don't want I don't like to I don't want to give the Mossad any ideas, but I think that would be actually a pretty smart tactic on their part because their entire existence and their their well I should say this their ability to thrive depends entirely on American support which they have completely lost. Right? I mean the majority of American Jews which is the biggest population of Jews in the outside of Israel in the world now opposes the Israeli government. I mean

[12:51] that blows my mind. Okay, >> that's right. >> So the so the point is they've lost America and they know and you know it would not be a stupid move to target some of the more effective uh articulate voices who've been criticizing not Israel as an idea or as a state or maybe in some cases but specifically the way that they act their strategies and their tactics and their apartheid and their abuse of the Palestinian people. Right? So, if they can, you know, maybe the

[13:22] whole idea is like, well, we've got to get these certain Americans to shut up. Um, and then, you know, maybe Americans will forget what we've done. I don't think it would work, but you know, honestly, I don't really blame them for trying. And we should probably bring in Robbie to talk about what's happened here to the show. Um, >> uh, Robbie, let's I'm gonna pop you in here. >> Robbie, thanks for coming on. So, just a little house little housekeeping just obviously like, follow, and share the show and all that. Um, we're doing we're

[13:52] still on Rumble. Everything is great over there. Um, but YouTube we're having some problems with. >> Yeah. Well, it's kind like what you just said at the at the top. Uh, 24 hours can bring a whole world of change. So, before YouTube had demonetized the channel in the middle of September, they said because of a paperwork error. So, we've got the paperwork error resolved. An hour after the paperwork error was resolved,

[14:22] YouTube has then slapped us with a community strike about an episode that that that Ted and John did. I think it was last week uh talk about how basically how Hamas has won the war, which I hate to tell you this, they did. So, YouTube has then has now demonetized the channel. So keep So for those of y'all who are think about this YouTube, the progressive platform, the champion of all things free speech and uh of the

[14:54] and diversity, is going after two people with a different opinion than the approved opinion that Google has. Meanwhile, Rumble, the right-wing echo chamber, is financially supporting John and Ted and allowing them to speak freely. Think about that for a second. So what my So what might appeal to you is if you want this show to continue because John and Ted, they got bills they got to pay. Please watch us on

[15:25] Rumble. >> Yeah, >> Rumble is paying them. Rumble is not throttling them. The show is growing. Let me see. Last time I looked, just one second, y'all. We're going to do some live action stuff right here. a $20 donation from you from Yung Pat over on Rumble. Thank you. Thank you. >> Because you can't do because you can't do anything on YouTube. You can't donate. There's no ads. They have completely demonetized the channel. As of right now, we have 854 channel followers and 29 paid subscribers. So, thank you to each and every one of you.

[15:57] >> By the way, a little um also we do have a for people who want to donate um other PayPal. Here's the PayPal address. D program podcast atgmail. A little bit of uh housekeeping here. Thank you so much to uh Grim Music Services and Wesley uh Jerasunus and Killian Welts have all been generous donors via the PayPal. Uh and we really appreciate you guys. Thank you. >> Yeah, for sure. And I mean that that's really all I've got to say is know this

[16:29] is not new for YouTube. >> YouTube YouTube killed RT. YouTube killed RT America. YouTube has deplatformed John. I think this is what the the second time, the third time they've demonetized you and they've >> a lot of conservative voices, a lot of left voices. Anyone with a strong opinion tends to get ousted from YouTube. >> And I think here's what's happened and I'm going go away because we have a lot of stuff we have to cover. I think the reason for the for the crackdown, the newest polls show that young Americans,

[16:59] especially young conservative, right-wing uh uh Republicans, if you want to call it that, just the Gen Z types, have turned against Israel with a vengeance. >> Yeah, >> that is why they're doing this. BB Netanyahu in his own words made an appeal while he was in Washington DC talking about how important the social media wars are and how the Zionist entity has to take control of social media. That's why they went after Tik Tok. That's what this is all about. This is about censorship. This is about

[17:29] throttling. This is about strangling people's ability to make a living. And if you support free speech, Rumbles Rumble's the tip of the spear. >> Thank you, Robbie. Much appreciated. and and and Robbie is 100% correct there. So, yeah. No, I think that we are I think they're going after us for that. Um, you know, we're they're going to go after people like us. And I I think, you know, maybe that lqar coin, by the way, that I found on my laundry the other day. >> You know what, Ted? Stranger things have

[18:00] happened, man. >> Yeah, >> stranger things have happened. >> By the way, a little housekeeping before I forget. So yesterday we had that angry uh LGBT uh person about the uh Supreme Court case. I want to just be clear here. I'm not going to apologize, but that person was correct. The the case was the article that I read in the New York Times was extremely confusing and convoluted um about this case. the the plaintiff is actually a an anti-transition

[18:32] anti-trans person who was uh who was being suppressed by a law that said that you're not allowed. So I don't want So there's 20 states including Colorado that don't allow um you to give advice again to minors against tr uh transitioning against gender affirming surgery and and and and therapy and so on. So this plaintiff was a conservative um and the Supreme Court was uh but the but the way it was written it made it look exactly the opposite. So basically

[19:02] the case is a free speech case saying I have the right to tell kids who come to me that they shouldn't transition don't trans. Um and so that's what that was. So I did misread that. I was mistaken. I said I would look into it and if I was wrong I would say I'm wrong. I'm wrong. So there Apologize, Ted. Anyway, um all right, with that, let's get back. So, John, this is this is big news,

[19:34] though. Back in back to Gaza, right? I mean, so um yeah, BB Netanyahu lost everything. It was cutter. >> That's exactly what it was. You know, there's there's one thing about Donald Trump. You can't make him look weak. If you make him look weak, you're going to pay a price. and bombing Qatar and then telling Trump apparently at the last possible minute so that there was nothing that he could do about it. That was too much. It was too much for Trump to take and and he slapped him down.

[20:05] >> I don't blame him. >> I don't either. >> Not at all. No, I mean and and I don't blame the cutteries for being angry about it either. All right. So the question now be So does Netanyahu's government survive? >> Well, you know what? I hate to say yes, but the only reason that I say yes is because there's literally no alternative except one that might be even further to the right, >> right? It's like, well, it's it's like here's the thing, right? BB, you know, is having this meeting perhaps right now

[20:35] while we're talking >> in Tel Aviv where he's going to be like, listen, guys, it's like you guys can dream of greater Israel all you want and we've already got 60% of the West Bank. We probably aren't going to have to give any if not or most of that back. But but Gaza, we're never going to annex it. It's gone forever. We overreached. The whole world hates us. Get real. You think you can do this without me and send me to prison? Try, but you can't form You can't form a government without me. That's what that's going to be his

[21:06] case. Yeah. I don't know if it'll prevail or not. I have no idea. But, >> you know, I don't I don't know if these if the right-wing parties can form a coalition. I don't know where they would find I don't know where they would find the the votes to to form a government. >> You know, see, that's the other thing. I was having a conversation with a friend of mine last night who just happens to be Jewish. And I said, um, >> even though you're an anti-semite, does he know, >> right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I Right. I secretly I must hate him or something.

[21:37] Yeah. So I said the the the problem that the Israeli government has is that it's the same problem that the Greek government used to have where you've got, you know, 36 political parties, all of them get elected to parliament. You can't possibly form a a government that is going to be strong enough to last its entire term. So what the Greeks did is they raised the threshold to enter parliament from 3% to 5%. that knocked out a bunch of these parties that that were only, you know, that were only um

[22:10] uh based around one person anyway, you know, one charismatic person. So 3% to 5% and then they passed this this law that changed everything. If you are the party that comes in first, you get an extra 50 seats >> and 50 seats is always enough to form an actual government. enter in any coalition with anybody else. >> That's a smart system right now. I bet I bet Emanuel Mcron had a wish that France

[22:41] had that system. >> Seriously. >> Um John uh Fuso, thanks for the donation is asking over and under how many days after Hamas releases all the hostages will Israel renegotiate and start genociding again? Look, that's a good question because as the Hamas spokesperson said yesterday, Israel has a long uh has a long history of not abiding by signed agreements and uh reneging on ceasefires and everything. That's going to be what they want to do. So, this really boils down to what does

[23:13] add Donald Trump, how long is his attention span on this? Is he going to keep an eye like on BB and and or is he gonna like drift off and start ranting about Charlie Kirk statues or something? Well, if he's serious, and you know, we chuckle about it, but if he's serious about winning the Nobel Peace Prize, >> he is not gonna let BB Netanyahu wreck that for him. Not a chance. >> Um, well, the Sim Simon Noski says from

[23:44] Quebec, "Fuck Zionist Israel." Agree. Um, Fuso also says, "Thanks for another donation. Charlie Kirk is mega Jesus." That's exactly what he >> Yes, he is. We've got the commemorative coin now that's been proposed in the House of Representatives. >> The Jace Show is asking >> is questioning me. I know that's hilarious, right? Um is calling me out. I'm curious how the Gazins have won if Tony Blair is going to be running the place. It seems like ethnic cleansing is still on the table. >> Tony Blair is not going to be running

[24:16] the place. It it that's over. That's not true. Um this is I mean and look I think John I think what we're looking at here and it's a very these are the early early days right so everything I say should be taken with like a salt lick of salt but I think what we're looking at is an Ireland solution here where Hamas will basically remain in charge in the same way that the IRA basically demilitarized and became Shinfane right I think that Hamas they

[24:49] might be rebranded. They might rename themselves, but basically the same guys who are Hamas are going to be running the Gaza Strip for the foreseeable future. They may give up a number of their weapons. They may agree to put all of their weapons into an arsenal. They may agree to convert their soul their their soldiers into police officers. But I think basically that the facts on the ground can't change because they are the power structure that maintains law and

[25:20] order and have been for 15 years. I I don't I just don't see I think it's a fantasy this stuff about like Trump Gaza hotel and you know I mean there could be a Trump Gaza hotel but it's not like it's going to be ma you know the Gaza Strip is going to be maintained by the United States and like this coalition and like with Tony Blair and that they're all going to grift and I I just don't I don't think so. >> Yes. Yes. I I agree. I agree.

[25:51] You know the thing here too, I know we're pressed for time. There are so many things to talk about, but I want to say real quickly the Israelis for the for for this to not happen again, the Israelis need to learn a lesson. And the lesson is very simple. You do not slaughter innocent people. You do not deny people basic human rights. Martin Luther King famous >> and gloat about it. >> Gloat about it. That's right. Martin Luther King famously said that that we

[26:23] should never underestimate a man's desire to be free and Gaza was the biggest open air prison in the world. And yeah, I mean the mis I mean look, let's be real here. I mean, the the world never should have tolerated the way things were in Gaza before 2023. Um, but you know, afterwards it just tipped into it couldn't be ignored. Um, so JRock 952 basically, [ __ ] you. But here's what he said. John's probably a Holocaust denier. I mean, he is a truther after all.

[26:54] >> [ __ ] idiot. I'm neither a truther nor a Holocaust denier. [ __ ] idiot. And if he knew anything about me or watched anything that I've done, he would know that. >> Yeah. I I hate it when people just sort of say [ __ ] on the internet just like >> Yeah. Like this [ __ ] who uh who wrote the article about me in this publication. I can't even remember the name now. Middle East something. Um, one of the comments was that I'm stupid, morbidly obese, and ugly, too, on top of it. And that

[27:27] >> Yeah, and your mommy's fat, too. Um, any any chance the Egyptians Houdini wants to know, the Egyptians will be involved with Gaza internal security? >> It's a good question. Israelis over the years have asked the go the Egyptians to to get more uh involved which is ironic because Egypt used to administer Gaza. That's correct. As back in the day before the 67 war the Egyptians want nothing to do with Gaza. >> It is nothing but trouble. >> Uh they don't have enough food and jobs

[27:58] for their own people and they don't want to take this on as well. >> Yeah. I I think they they're content with just being neighbors here. Um, I like this comment. Tammy Land Landan says, "This is why I, as a lifelong Democrat, realize we were better off with Trump after all was said and done." You know, look, I I totally see that argument. I mean, look, the best thing about Donald Trump is he doesn't seem to like stupid wars. And um you know, I mean, he does a lot of things that I

[28:28] disagree with, like blowing up Venezuelan boats, but this is a great ex like if this goes through, if this works, who's going to be able to argue that we would have been better off under Kla Harris? I mean, this is a major major issue. I mean, yeah, I mean, I care about healthcare. I care about a lot of other stuff. But I mean, the United States was actively participating in the mass murder of tens if not hundreds of thousands of people and contributing to the misery of untold more. Um, you know, I mean, if Donald

[29:00] Trump brings an puts an end to this, great. Yeah. Great. Great. This isn't about personalities. Whether we hate Donald Trump or love Donald Trump, it's about bringing human rights to the Palestinians. >> Precisely. Uh Sean, should we move on to some of these other topics? >> Yeah. >> What do you want to talk about? >> Oh man, much today. >> There's Tom Holman. >> Yeah, let's talk about him. He He gets to keep his money, which is like right

[29:32] out of bizarro world uh of of US juristprudence. I don't freaking understand it at all. >> He should have been fired. He's caught like basically dead to rights accepting a $50,000 bribe in an FBI sting operation, he pocketed the 50k and literally >> he's like so [ __ ] shameless >> that he like, you know, instead of just like turning it back over right away like my bad, thank you for not prosecuting me. Thank you for not firing

[30:02] me. You know, thank you. Thank you. He's like pock he's keeping it and the government's letting him keep it. I mean this is a whole new level of of shamelessness. I think I mean I think it's a I think it's depraved honestly. You know it it is depraved. And another thing too is it it just gives you such a clear example of the corruption of our um of our justice system where if they want to

[30:34] go after you and silence you, it's easy. Uh if they want to give you the right to do anything your heart desires, that's easy, too. There is a great book um that's been out for many years. I've recommended it a hundred times called three felonies a day and uh it's written by a Harvard law professor who argues that that we are so over legislated and so over criminalized in this country that the

[31:06] average person on the average day going about his or her normal business commits three felonies every single day. >> That's awesome. >> So if they want Yeah, they're going to get you. There's nothing you can do to protect. >> Is it Berea who supposed the NKVD guy from the Soviet Union who supposedly said you you show me the man, I'll show you the crime. >> That's exactly what he said. Yes. >> Um, by the way, we're number 11 on Rumble nationally. Just saying right now

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[32:38] bits there would be no penis there would not be a crying game situation confident. >> I feel confident that's the case. I do not believe >> Breijit Mcronone is a man. I believe she's a hideous woman. >> She was She was never Yeah. She was never beautiful. >> No. >> Um but she's very put together. She's French. She's stylish. You know, >> I got to talk about Nick Sord. Is is it Sorter or Storur? I don't even know. >> I I don't know to tell you the truth.

[33:08] >> I don't know either. And and to tell you the truth, I mean, I never really thought of about this guy at all. I had seen him on Fox many times before. He's a street reporter for Fox, right? They sent him to There's been all these demonstrations outside of the Portland ICE office. Um, which by the way, mainly there's been more demonstrations because basically it's so hilarious. Not much was going on there at all. There were tiny little protests there from time to time. So the Trump administration since sent the National Guard out there and and basically to to protect the ICE

[33:41] office. Um so that provoked actual protests to come out to say because they were against the National Guard being in Portland, right? >> And so there was a a little of a of a frackus the other day. Um and the um and so Nick was got basically got uh roughed up and arrested by the uh Portland PD despite having press credentials. This kind of thing happens from time to time to reporters when they're on the street covering protests. Why does it happen?

[34:12] Because cops don't give a [ __ ] if you're a reporter. When cops go into an arrest frenzy for demon for demonstrators, they sweep everyone else and they don't really like reporters anyway. And so even though they see the press badge, they just don't care. That's what happened to Nick. Nick, you should, you know, do tell the truth and become a good leftist like like me. But instead, he's going out spinning this saying that the Portland PD has become corrupt puppets of violent Antifa thugs. and he

[34:43] was arrested because of, you know, somehow they were doing the bidding of Antifa even while they were arresting supposed Antifa. I mean, >> this is embarrassing. >> You know, listen, as a regular on Fox News, I'm going to tell you that they every show on that network is going to run with this. >> It's really It's really though. It has a z it's it's negative credibility, right? It's that line that I always like to use

[35:15] from my lawyer. Not only is that not true, it can't be true. It's it's ridiculous. >> Radical left pro- Antifa police department of Portland, Oregon, committed crimes against humanity when they arrested our colleague. I I it writes itself. >> Yeah. It's like basically Nick, they treated you like you were a reporter for for Jake for a jackabin. Okay, that's what happened. Uh all you know,

[35:45] basically they didn't care that you were from Fox. You didn't get a paper dispensation. You were, you know, they they were thugs to you because you were a journalist. >> I mean, it's so I mean, honestly, I don't even get why they're going why why he and they are going with this. I would have just been like, "We just we just won't talk about that." >> Exactly. >> You know what I mean? >> Because it goes against our our narrative. Why not just shut up? >> Why not just shut up? Yes.

[36:17] >> It's it Okay, so while we're at this. All right. So, listen. We got to I guess Charlie Kirk's never made more news than since getting killed. and um Charlie. So, right now the Department of Defense, which is supposed to be protecting us and and our national security interests around the globe, is spending god knows how many resources, launching 300 internal investigations into employees, in other words,

[36:48] soldiers, airmen, sailors, god knows who else because the Pentagon is the biggest employer on earth. um like trying to looking for people who said mean stuff about Charlie Kirk on the internet. Setting aside the fact that probably some of those people will be found not guilty. What the [ __ ] is going on, John? I mean, this is Does this make any sense to you at all? I mean, what is this? It's a loyalty test. >> It is. It's some kind of a crazy misguided loyalty test. When when I woke

[37:20] up this morning, I I popped on the news like I do every morning. I just flipped through the the channels and I happened to stumble on a on a a response to a question that Donald Trump was giving yesterday where he said that um he had decided to reban flag burning. He said the courts have never been clear on this which is 1,000% not true >> except for the United States Bush administration. The Supreme Court ruled

[37:51] unequivocally that flag burning flag burning is a protected uh political statement. It's protected by the first amendment constitution. And he said that he is going to reban flag burning because flag burning leads to horrific violence which is what the radical left wants to do and blah blah blah. Um this Charlie Kirk thing is is in the exact same vein. We're being told now what we can believe and what we can't believe, what we can do and what

[38:22] we can't do. It's dangerous, even if it's temporary because it's going to have to wind its way through the courts again like it always does >> and it's going to ruin some careers and some lives. >> Yes, it will. >> Um, let me let me give you give you some quotes from the Washington Post here. Right. So, um, Pentagon spokesman Sean Parnell wrote on social media. He's the spokesman for the DoD. It's a criticizing Charlie Kirk or mocking Turning Point USA is a violation of the

[38:54] oath. It's conduct unbecoming. It's a betrayal of the Americans they've sworn to protect and dangerously incompatible with military service. Those in our ranks who rejoice at an act of domestic terrorism are unfit to serve the American people. He also, by the way, this is this um so Hegsath laughed about the attack on Paul Pelosi. >> Yeah, he did. >> Asked about this. Parnell, the spokesman

[39:27] said, "The situation isn't the same. An American was assassinated. We will not tolerate military or civilian personnel who celebrate or mock the assassination of a fellow American. >> I gotta say Paul Pelosi came close to being assassinated. Yeah, he did. >> Um I mean that the guy went beat the [ __ ] out of him with a hammer. >> With a hammer. >> He's an old dude. >> Yeah. >> Um so I mean talk about Sopa Street, right? I mean, >> I'll say >> so. Yeah. 158 non-uniformed personnel

[39:58] have been investigated as of September 30th, including 27 civilian defense department civilians. Two have been removed from employment. >> Jeez. I mean, this is not, you know, a this is a this is really really crazy. So under article 88 of the uniform code of military justice, a serviceman or service woman can be prosecuted for contemptuous words against their military or civilian leaders or against elected officials, but not against, you know, private citizens like Charlie

[40:29] Kirk. This is I mean this is a this is this is a form of madness. And I guess I'm laughing because I'm I know the answer already. >> Ridiculous. Would it be too much to expect some Democrat to stand up and say enough already with the Charlie Kirk [ __ ] No Democrat in either the House or the Senate or any Democratic governors, not a single one

[41:00] has the balls to do that. Not a single one. >> That's what I thought. >> No. >> [ __ ] insane. You know, listen, I >> I'm so sorry that this happened to Charlie Kirk. This is a terrible, terrible thing. It shouldn't have happened to anybody. >> 100%. >> The guy has little kids at home. It it No one should be killed for their beliefs. >> Yeah. >> But he's just a guy. >> He's not a god.

[41:31] >> He's not the president who saved the nation. >> Let's move on. No, no, no, no, he's not. Um, and then we should talk about I guess we should talk about Charlie Kirk's statues. So, one day after Charlie Kirk died, more than a dozen House rep Republicans um sent out a letter calling for a statue of Charlie Kirk at the US capital. A

[42:02] week later, Oklahoma lawmakers introduced a bill that would require every state university in Oklahoma to every single one to put up a Charlie Kirk statue in a dedicated square or plaza. Texas State Rep. uh Nate Shatzline called for similar legislation in that state. The new College of Florida, which I've spoken at, used to be a nice lefty school, uh, but it's g been completely taken over by Ronda Santis and purged of progressives, uh,

[42:33] announced that it is commissioning a Kirk statue and shared an AI version of what it would look like. Uh, they say they have a bunch of artists who are willing to look for it um to uh to to uh to bid on the on the deal. Um, so basically it looks like there's going to be a a massive amount of Kirk statues all over the United States. So this is great. I love this quote, right? Reflect. So Kirk Savage is an art

[43:04] historian at University of Pittsburgh, which is a very important school related to art. Um, and he's written about public monuments. He said, "The only real precedent I can think of in terms of the speed of all this and the call for more statues is Abraham Lincoln, um, whose assassination was followed by swift calls for statues. Um, the morning after, a formerly enslaved woman named Charlie Scott was said to have donated $5, which was a lot of money, to a monument to the to President Lincoln. link uh eventually leading to

[43:35] Freriedman's memorial in DC which shows a black man leaning next to uh to to Lincoln. Um but anyway, this is just um of all the people I mean of all the people it's it's just amazing to me. >> Rush Limba has to be spinning in his grave. Where are the statues to Rush Limba? That's what I'd like to know. >> Well, I mean he and he'd kind of have a good point. I mean, >> you know, you think so?

[44:06] >> He was a lot more important than Charlie Kirk ever was. >> Yes. >> Although, you know, he was a bit of a fraud. >> Yeah. You know, that episode, >> he wasn't really a conservative. >> Was not conservative. That episode of Family Guy where they mock him and he says that it was all an act was actually >> It was all an act. >> Yeah. >> Well, here I mean, yeah. Someone who knew him very well told me that basically um it was just a grift. basically he had learned uh he had basically sused out in the uh in the 80s

[44:37] that that was the direction of talk radio um to go conservative and he just basically you know I mean there's a lot of people like that in in politics who don't believe a [ __ ] word that they say I don't know I mean I just don't experience politics that way John I mean for me it's like I believe what I believe I can't imagine it you know being like like an like a movie actor like going out and thing like these lines that I don't believe. I mean, it would just be depressing to me. I I I'd rather just do something else. I mean,

[45:09] I'll stock shelves at, you know, at a supermarket. I I just I just couldn't. I I I mean, I don't really I'm not morally looking down on someone who does that. But it's very I don't get it. I don't get the psychology of someone who would, you know, stridently day after day after day express opinions about, you know, the way the world ought to be that you actually don't believe. >> Believe what kind of legacy do you leave when you do something like that >> and just to make money? >> Just to make money. Like what what a

[45:40] cheap grift. >> Yeah, it really is. I mean, you're you know, you're you're really selling your soul for like there's not enough money. There just isn't, >> you know, and the the books. It's the It's not just the the radio show. The the books that were ghostritten for him that he put his that he put his name on. Every time there was a national issue, uh, every time there was a presidential election, he would have one of his ghost writers jin up a quick book and, uh, and make

[46:11] more and more and more and more money on that. It was very cynical. very very cynical. >> John, you got a personal request. This is a very personal request from Sir Bikes a Lot. Thanks for the donation, Sir Bikes. Uh, please tell Joe Rogan tonight. You're going on. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And other newbies to Texas to to drive 70 miles an hour on the ramp to the freeway. I live in San Antonio and I'm tired of newbies driving 45 onto the freeway. >> You know what? Done. I I love 70 mph speed limits. They're 80

[46:44] miles an hour in Montana, parts of North Dakota. I love it. I once got caught going 80 in a 25 in outside of Sturgeis, South Dakota. This is like five years ago. 80 and a 25. The cop could not apologize enough for stopping. >> Like, you know, because if it was 60, I'd say, "Buddy, just slow down." But, you know, 80 it it it it stays in the radar gun in

[47:16] the memory and somebody could call me on it. And he I'm so sorry, sir. I I'm I'm going to have to write you a ticket. And I'm like, I'm so sorry. I was I mean, 80 miles an hour in a 25. I didn't realize it was a 25. I had just come off the highway. >> Oh [ __ ] >> He could not apologize enough. So, I just went in to the courthouse in Sturgis the next day and I paid the fine. It was $225. >> You got off easy. >> I sure did. I mean, they >> You know, I don't know if this is still true, but my old roommate Chris was um

[47:48] arrested for driving 20 over the speed limit in North Carolina. They told him that they had to arrest him under North Carolina law. You know, in the South, the wiggle room is really like four miles an hour over the state limit, right? In, you know, up north it's it's definitely 12 is the magic number. cops will tell you 13, you know, keep it at 12, you'll you'll be okay. 13 keep it at nine. >> And yeah, I feel like 10 is exactly the number, especially if you look at the ticket, right? Because it's increments of 1 to five, six to 10. So if you're at

[48:20] exactly a 10, you're probably not going to get pulled over at all. Um, but my my worst ticket, John, and this is I'm not bragging here. I was 16 years old. I was late to school. Uh, so I was I was go and I had a great car and I got clock pulled over going 115 in the school zone in front of my school. Um, and there were like three cops pulled me over. The principal saw me. I walked and I was like I was on my third late and I

[48:51] was going to be suspended. I walked in the principal's office and he goes, "This one's a freebie. I saw I saw you. I I I know right from my window. I had to pay, this was 1979, I had to pay $465. Um, it was a [ __ ] [ __ ] ton of money. >> Yeah. >> Um, and fortunately I had the money because I worked like ridiculous jobs, but I was like a [ __ ] bat out of hell. I mean, the the it was just a great car. It was a had a custom V V8

[49:22] Corvette engine. >> Like, >> oh my god. Uh, Frasmatas, how do we go from 400,000 to 6 million dead? Why is Holocaust revisionism so controversial? Is it because it's highly illegal in Europe? Not to lecture anyone, but why not deny their narrative? Um, I'm pretty convinced that the at least 6.8 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust. I've read so much about it. My my my bookshelves are groaning with books about the Holocaust. And when you

[49:54] consider everyone, right, like basically that was a plurality. When you consider all the priests, the resistance members, the Soviet soldiers, the gays, the handicapped, the mentally ill, >> you're really close to 25 million people. Um I mean, I'm sorry. I mean, >> well, you know, just in Greece >> Holocaust revisionism, >> just just Greek Jews and and Greece was one of the small countries that was 200,000 right there. I mean the Germans kept ex you know

[50:24] exquisite records I mean for the time and we captured a lot of them. The Soviets have those records. You can go look at those records in the in the Russian archives. I mean, it's really and there's there's a book called KL, which is uh I would recommend for anybody who's thinking about who's tempted by Holocaust revisionism that just sort of details in exquisite grinding detail, every mass killing at every camp, every pit, you know, everything. And you you'll you know, the

[50:55] numbers are the numbers are actually a little low, you know, >> that wouldn't surprise me. um that wouldn't surprise me. And you know, in even in Roads, the island where my grandparents come from, and I'm sorry if I'm wasting time, um it wasn't just it wasn't just the Jews. I mean, certainly they rounded up all of the Rhodian Jews, 2,000 Rodian Jews, and um 14 survived the war. But even my cousin Mike, my dad's first cousin, uh was shot

[51:28] right through the stomach uh during or by a by a Nazi officer only because he wasn't moving quickly enough getting the Nazi a glass of water. >> Yeah, they were they were like that. They everybody >> and not to mention like the reprisals where they cap where like they they catch they'd keep civilians and or they have a list of civilians and if a German soldier was killed in France it was the rule was they would kill 50 local civilians for every German soldier killed a hundred for every officer. Um

[52:01] Fuso says Antifa is equivalent to a violent flash mob dance action. There's no structure organization. It's a Morpheus and an idea. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. >> Uh that is exactly correct and thanks for the donation. The Kirk stories that are interesting says real real don't get discussed. The assassin's family don't think he's guilty saying the text messages are fake. FD FBI hiding video evidence that goes against their story. I don't know about that.

[52:31] Um I mean it certainly it looks right now like the government is has their case. Um, let's see. Uh, before July 13th, Rasmataz says CNN decided not to air Trump rallies that day. They had so many cameras on him and in HD. I don't know. Um, oh, please educate Rogan on the difference between liberals and leftists. I like that. >> Oh, that's a good one. >> The right always conflate them, blaming the left for lib nonsense. True.

[53:05] that that's always that can't be done enough. >> Yeah. >> Let's talk about deportations, John. And we're we're running low on time. I don't want to not talk about this because I think it's an important issue. >> Um so obviously we're not going to get So um the polls basically show this is super interesting to me. Um thatif this is the New York Times Sienna College poll 54% of voters are in favor of deporting undocumented people from the United States. But 53%

[53:36] think that the process isn't fair. Uh ins snaring American citizens. Obviously, no one's going to say that that's fair. Uh parents of American children and uh vendors who are, you know, working hard and peacefully uh in places like Chicago and Washington DC. So, I love this story, John, because it's a it's it's it really kind of goes to something that we don't talk about much in our politics. People love they

[54:07] like a policy, but how you enforce that policy matters. And >> Amen. >> And so if they Go ahead. >> Sorry. I I'm biased. I'm biased because many members of my family came to this country as illegal immigrants or what are being called illegal immigrants. All they wanted to do was work. They were very happy to pay taxes. All they wanted to do was to make money and send back to their to their families. They were

[54:37] starving starving back in Greece um during and before the Second World War. So I feel kind of a kinship to a lot of people. Now, I don't want Venezuelan rapists and murderers walking the streets anymore than anybody else does, but this wholesale deportation of people who are just easy to grab off the street or people who have green cards, valid green cards, and are snatched coming out of a courthouse or out of an immigration

[55:09] office. That's not what the American people wanted. or target or targeting people specifically because for example they're pro Gaza or pro Palestinian. >> Exactly. I think, you know, so I think that's going to be like um, you know, a takeaway when we finally get a presidential historian who does a good job um, on the Trump administrations. Um, they're going to, you know, I think they're going to come back and say like Trump was on to a lot, you know, in terms of like, you know, domestic

[55:41] priorities over foreign uh, adventurism. Most Americans were behind that. um the idea of open borders. Most Americans were against that because open borders are by definition stupid and we kind I know that's a right-wing talking point, open borders, but they were open. I mean, >> it's true. They're right. >> And so like but how you decide to enforce a law or a rule, it's it's to the crux of it, right? So imagine if they'd gone about this with finesse and

[56:12] like no ice goons all wrapped up in masks and stuff and but like they start with like the the the scumbags criminals in the worst felons in our in our prisons, right? >> Get rid of those [ __ ] We don't who cares? We don't need them here. They're Why are we paying for their for their imprisonment? Send them home. If they if the their home countries don't want to imprison them, whatever. That's neither here nor there. It's like and then just sort of work through people who are perhaps accused of heinous crimes, throw

[56:43] them out of the country, go down a list of priorities, you know, and and certainly don't target don't don't seem don't even appear to be punishing people who are expressing political opinions. I think this policy would be pretty popular. >> Yeah. And you know, another thing too is there's no differentiation anymore between sort of the the approved immigrants and the unapproved. Like for example, Cubans

[57:15] used to be special people. >> Oh, right. >> Any Cuban, welcome to America. Did you see day before yesterday that the head of Cubans for Trump was grabbed and is being deported? >> That's [ __ ] hilarious to me. Yeah. Cubans were a special class. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Look at look at the Mario boat lift, right? I mean, they were illegal immigrants. All of them. >> All of them. >> And um you know, we but we took them in. Yeah. We had to put them in, you know,

[57:46] they were in those camps for a little while, but not for long. Yeah. and uh and they were you know they and they got great benefits. Um we should wrap things up but uh it's always a pleasure. Um congratulations honestly to the to the Trump administration. I hope you keep your eye on the ball >> and keep going. This could be huge. >> Yeah. And it's it's the timing is really interesting right at the at the second anniversary of the October 7th attacks. Um anyway, praying for the people of Palestine. Hope that that things work out there. Uh, we will be back tomorrow,

[58:18] 9:00 a.m. Eastern time. Tonight, John's on the Joe Rogan show. What time is that? >> Um, going on at 1 at 1 to 4. They usually release them the next day. They told me that that's probably what they're going to do. It should be tomorrow. >> I don't know. >> Sometime sometime tomorrow. Well, so that'll we'll we will have talked here before that. So, you might have more information by then. We're here Monday through Friday, 9 to5. If you feel like donating, we could really desperately use it. especially with what YouTube the way YouTube is targeting us right now.

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